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Parameters of Discussion / Amendmening Both Documents [message #2209] Tue, 17 September 2013 06:26 Go to next message
Charles8854 is currently offline  Charles8854
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Gary & i talked on the phone to-day.

Gary generally supports the "US Constitution" document;
& i generally support the "Articles of Confederation" document.

But we both agree that each of the documents which we each support each could be substantially improved thru "Amending" them
with well-thought-out "Amendments".

I expect that to be a central-focus of this discussion.

I internd to post more on all of this soon.

Charles Stewart.
Sandy Oregon.
503-5668-5091.
Re: Parameters of Discussion / Amendmening Both Documents [message #2210 is a reply to message #2209] Tue, 17 September 2013 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hunt
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Let's be clear bout this.
I don't believe that the Articles have any decent footing from which to amend and improve.
They were created with the intention of an alliance to conduct a war. Though they claim perpetuity, they were little or than a mutual support treaty and are not adequate to form a common government.
THEY COULD NOT BE AMENDED TO SUPPORT A COMMON GOVERNMENT!
Re: Parameters of Discussion / Amendmening Both Documents [message #2223 is a reply to message #2210] Fri, 04 October 2013 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lots of interesting stuff in the Articles of Confederation. Have not read them in years. Interesting to see some of the language carried over into the U.S. Constitution.

Preface
"... Massachusetts-bay Rhode Island and Providence Plantations..." were considered as one State.

Hmm, it appears that only 9 States were required to approve measures under the Articles of Confederation. I don't know how or why I got it in my head that one of the deficiencies of the Articles was that everything had to be done by unanimous consent? That is news to me.

If we are looking for contrast between the Articles of Confederation and the U.S. Constitution it would also be pertinent to assess the rules under which the Continental Congresses operated under up until the Articles of Confederation.
Re: Parameters of Discussion / Amendmening Both Documents [message #2227 is a reply to message #2210] Fri, 25 September 2015 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually, after reading the Protocols; I came to the conclusion that the Constitution was meant to Lure but not actually something that would remain Kept. I was amazed at just how certain men decided from the beginning to destroy what could actually be a unifying country. I guess there is no money in equality, law obedience, and liberty.
Re: Parameters of Discussion / Amendmening Both Documents [message #2239 is a reply to message #2227] Wed, 07 October 2015 07:50 Go to previous message
Hunt
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What most fail to recognize, as they assume that the government has always acted as it does now, is the the Constitution worked beautifully until the Civil War.

It was the admission of West Virginia as a state, in direct contravention of the Constitution, that began a downhill slide, that has continued for the past century and a half.

To better understand this, you may want to read:

Habeas Corpus - Guardian of Liberty

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/hh06.htm
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